General Telegraph 6d

Telegraph stamps of Great Britain.

Until recently, only the Post Office telegraphs were well known.
This is changing but the printed information is still out of date.
I hope to gather further information and present it here.

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Unusual Telegraphic Cancels.

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Re-use Special Staff Liverpool Roller Truro Crown ? Glasgow

 

Re-use of obsolete types.

Langmead & Huggins have a section 'Other Telegraphic Cancellations' on page 45.
It shows the P.P.12 cancel (usually in pairs) on 1s stamps (The first here is courtesy of Devlan Kruck). The 3d is unusually clear (courtesy of Michael Driver).

P.P.12 on 1s - 261125339590   P.P.12 on 1s   P.P.12 on 3d

There are other examples of obsolete cancellers being re-used for telegraphic purposes however,
such as the Barred Oval 38 below :
Barred Oval 38 on 6d   Barred Oval 38 on 1s
This was used for postal purposes in Kensington from 1844 until early 1850's, but then apparently brought back into use for telegraphic purposes in the early 1870's.
The 1/- is courtesy of Ian Pinwill, the 6d is one of the few stamps I have ever bought from S.G. who apparently didn't recognise the cancel that they list   smiley-lol

Another that they should illustrate is the No.1B shown on the 1s below :

No.iB on 1s   No.iB on 1s   No.iB on 1s
The middle example is courtesy of David Missen of ytft on ebay, the one on the right is a clearer example courtesy of Longmead Philatelics, all are plate 6.

 

Then there is the 'Seven 8-Segmented Concentric Rings' of the British & Irish Telegraph Company Limited.

7-Segment rings on 6d plate 8
Block of six 1d plate 151 courtesy of Michael Driver.

7-Segment rings on 3d x 4 plate 7
3d plate 7 block, courtesy of Paul Ramsay
7-Segment rings on 3d plate 8 7-Segment rings on 6d plate 8 7-Segment rings on 6d plate 9
3d plate 8 courtesy of Ian Pinwill 6d plate 8 , courtesy of Michael Driver 6d plate 9 , courtesy of Paul Ramsay
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7-Segment rings on 6d pair, plate 11
6d plate 11 pair, courtesy of Grosvenor Auctions.

 

7-Segment rings on 9d 7-Segment rings on 1s 7-Segment rings on 2s 7-Segment rings on 2s
9d plate 4 (spray) 1/- plate 4 (spray), courtesy HIB Stamps. 1/- plate 5 2/- blue

 

7-Segment rings on 2 x 1s plate 6 7-Segment rings on 2s 7-Segment rings on 5s
1s plate 6, unknown Origin. 2s, courtesy of Dave Lewis. 5s, courtesy of Paul Ramsay.

 

With dates approximate, I have seen these on:
1d plate 151 (printed 14/11/71 to 2/4/74)
3d plate 6 (printed 22/6/69 to 14/5/72)
3d plate 7 (printed 19/10/71 to 29/2/72)
3d plate 8 (printed 29/2/72 to 29/11/72) not seen on plate 9 (put to press 31/6/72)
6d plate 8 (printed 8/3/69 to 3/5/70)
6d plate 9 (printed 3/5/70 to 6/3/72)
6d plate 11 buff (printed Oct. 1872 to 29/11/72) not seen on plate 12 (put to press 30/10/72)
9d plate 4 (spray, printed 3/10/67 to 1877)
1s plate 4 (spray, printed 13/7/67 to 23/12/70)
1s plate 5 (printed 20/2/71 to 30/9/72
1s plate 6 (printed 20/3/72 to 15/10/72) not seen on plate 7 (put to press 11/11/72)
2s plate 1 (blue, printed 10/4/67 to June 1867) not seen on brown, 27/2/80.
5s plate 1 (printed 18/4/67 to 28/3/74) not seen on plate 2 (put to press 25/3/74)

The commonest would seem to be the 1/- followed by the 5/- and the 2/-. Other values are rather scarce.
Indications are that this cancel was used from the Post Office takeover until early 1872.
I would be interested if anyone has it on the 3d plate 9, 6d plate 12 or 1s plate 7.

 

Special Staff, another to add.

Travelling Office / Special Staff on 1s   Travelling Office / Special Staff on 1s Telegraph   Travelling Office / Special Staff on 1s Telegraph
Travelling Office / Special Staff' dated Oct/2/72 (presumably) on 1s plate 6, together with 1s Telegraph plate 5 (Source: Andrew Higson).
The last items shows the complete strike. It and another are on a complete form (click on it to see). Very unusual and courtesy of Grosvenor Auctions.

Ian Pinwill is of the opinion that the 'Travelling Office' relates to the mobile travelling telegraph office introduced March 1872.
This was a horse-drawn vehicle, transported around the country by train, to cover important sporting or other events that needed it. These cancels were then used by its' staff.

The cancel below has the same date as the left one above and, judging by the centering the stamp may
well have been from the same sheet.

Special Staff on 1s Special Staff on 1s
Image courtesy, George Harrod of HIB Stamps. This one, again on plate 6 does not show the date.

 

Liverpool Roller Cancel.

Liverpool Roller on 6d   Liverpool Roller on 9d   Liverpool Roller on 1s   Liverpool Roller on 5s

Liverpool Roller on 3d Liverpool Roller on 1s Liverpool Roller on 2s
3d plate 7 - courtesy of Daren at emagic-qv on ebay. 1s with selvedge - courtesy Andrew Chappell of QV Pennies. 2s - courtesy of Andy at purplehairstreak on ebay.

 

Liverpool Roller on 5s
The bottom images courtesy of Grosvenor Auctions. There are at least 3 types of 'Liverpool Rollers'.
The 1s stamps at the top are both plate 5, whereas the one at the bottom is plate 7, so that roller may be a later type.

In British Postmarks - a Short History and Guide, R. C. Alcock and F. C. Holland (1960), page 81 referring to Fig.304 (A & H No.1087) shows the 'Liverpool Roller' and considers it to be 'mainly telegraphic'.
Langmead & Huggins in the section 'Other Telegraphic Cancellations' page 45 list other cancellations as being telegraphic but not this.
I have seen these now on 3d, 6d, 9d, 1s, 2s and 5s values, but mostly 5s plate 1. This is a bit 'top-heavy' for normal telegraphic use,

Here is further evidence with this 5s example from Andrew Higson FRPSL.

Liverpool Roller on 5s   Liverpool Roller on 2s
This stamp has a clear T.M.B (Telegraph Message Branch) cancellation
together with a (not so clear) Liverpool 466 Roller Cancellation.
This indicates the stamp was used for telegraphic purposes.
The additional 2s of mine, though not too clear adds further evidence.

 

I have recently found another website that (among other things) gives some information about GB Roller cancellations in general.
Well worth a look Liverpool Roller Type 1.

 

 

What of this ?

Dumb cancel on 5s
A nice neat 1872 CDS on a high value stamp is most likely telegraphic.
But what of the dumb cancel ? By association it is also likely to be telegraphic.

 

Another item to consider:
The 'Truro Crown'.

Truro Crown on 6d Truro Crown on 2s Truro Crown on 5s
Illustrations courtesy of Grosvenor Auctions.Source Andrew Higson.
The May 2017 list of Steve Allen offers this at £1200. Lot 43

This is a scarce marking that is not recorded on cover.
F. Hugh Vallancey (British Postmarks, 2nd Edn. 1950 Pg.32) says
"Probably intended for telegraphic purposes but apparently used also for Postal cancellation."

Bob Galland and Karl Louis conducted a survey of stamps bearing this marking. The results were reported in the GB Journal (2008) Vol.46, No.6 pages 139 to 141.
I will tabulate here some of the findings:

ValueIn blk of 4In pairsSinglesTotal
3d4015
6d0121224
1s0011
2s0213
5s0022
 

Comments:
A) The stamps used were consistant with a predominant usage around 1872.
B) 6 pairs of the 6d stamps and the 3d being found as a block of 4,
      suggests that 1/- was a commonly needed value for whatever these were used for.
C) All of the plate 11 6d stamps (4 singles + 1 pair), are from rows A to C.
      (unfortunately they do not record if the centering is consistent with one sheet.
      The same is true for plate 9.)

As always there are many ways to interpret statistices.
For example if we consider the multiples to represent a single 'stamp' we get :

ValueSingles
3d1
6d12
1s8
2s1
4s1
5s2
 

If we then take into account that out of the 12 single 6d stamps
8 of them could have formed 4 pairs
or 9 of them could have formed 3 pairs and a triplet.
Namely:
plate 9: OE, OF, OG; TG, TH.
plate 11: AA, BA, CA, CB.

Starting to look like a telegraphic profile.
Though it's doubtful that all of the potential
multiples would have started out as actual multiples.
Additionally, the block of 4, 3d stamps was
ME/NF of plate 7, a typical 1872 plate.

 
ValueSingles
3d1
6d3
9d1
1s11
2s1
4s1
5s2

One last point, if we consider that these may have been the products of telegraphic usage, then these should all have been destroyed along with the forms they were on.
'Liberating' them would have been a risky endeavour reserved for the rarer items. 'Common' single one shilling stamps may have been passed-over in favour of the more exotic, thus inverting the statistics.
How many collectors keep their junk mail for future generations? Future researchers may consider them scarce items!

 

This is an unusual item, the vendor described it as a Telegraphic cancel, but I don't know.
2s6d is unusual for Telegraphic although it looks like other stamps were involved. Anyone recognise this?
Illustration courtesy of Grosvenor Auctions.

TGBC Crown on 2s6d

 

One final thought, was this simply cancelled with the first thing that came to hand.

Glasgow 159 on 5s Telegraph block of 10 Glasgow 159 on 5s Telegraph block of 10
This block courtesy of Grosvenor Auctions is lettered AF to BJ.
Dated February 21, 1876.
Stamp CJ was next to it.
Courtesy of Ian Pinwill.

 

Glasgow 159 on £1 Telegraph BP Glasgow 159 on 5s Telegraph block of 10
Stamp EI used April 19th 1876, still with the '159' bars.
Courtesy of Andrew G Lajer..
November 20, 1877 without '159' bars on Telegraph £1.
Courtesy of Andrew G Lajer..

Clearly not a one-off accident.

 

 

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